M47
Resilience........
July 04 2016
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RHP User
10 years ago
They actually have to choose to take offence
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RHP User
10 years ago
I've come full circle on this, changed how I personally take comments. I'm now a firm believer in saying whatever the hell it is you want to say (anyone I mean) so long as it's not directed at an individual, then if an individual chooses to be offended by a comment about a group they fall into, body shape, race, whatever, the issue is with them, not the comment. And you see, even saying that is hard because I type it and then wait to be criticized. Constantly treading on eggshells comes to mind, for fear of what group we're going to offend. So you're good to say whatever you like about the groups I fall into, just leave my cubs out of it, then I'll go for your tonsils 😂😂😂
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RHP User
10 years ago
Search for Steve Hughes offended. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
is it very long, I don't have much time okay sorry, slinking off to watch now
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RHP User
10 years ago
Okay that's really funny, he's a funny guy "so you get offended, you're an adult, grow up and deal with it". The bit about smoking had me in hysterics, can you still buy them, of course, can you smoke them, no. Then says you have to hide in the woods under a blanket with a torch to have one Yeah I don't need to recite anymore, just couldn't help myself. Obviously he injects lots of valid points about the absurdity of political correctness, all of which I agree with. It's only offensive if one chooses to be offended. A choice we make ourselves
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RHP User
10 years ago
Fantastic. Very funny. Yes, often those who are offended deserve to be offended. I live by my own values, which lead me to accept most people in good faith and to act with good intentions. However, my own personalised coat of arms would espouse in Latin "I respect your right to be offended if you respect my right to not give a shit". - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
I watched it, and had a good laugh! Thanks for sharing, OP! I'd insert the thumbs up icon but I'm typing on my mobile whilst still languishing in bed! Hehe! I'm with you - I find humour in a lot of things. Perverse, dark humour. Hehe! I laugh at myself even and once I am comfortable with someone, it's no-holds barred when it comes to things we laugh about! I prefer to hang out with folks who are more laid back because you know that you can crack jokes freely and uncensored, and they won't take offence and start to lick their old wounds and bring up their traumatic life history and how you can't laugh about certain things just because they have suffered. *rolls eyes! The school of hard knocks... Have they been destroyed? So much mollycuddling these days! And yes, it's about resilience. We all go through rough times but when one can sit back and see the funny in even the most adverse of situations, one has one helluva swinging f**ker winning attitude and will come out a survivor. I've spoken to lovely elderly gentlemen and ladies, heard their accounts of their suffering during the war(s), and cried with them. But some truly previous souls can turn around, count their lucky stars and laugh a bit at what they've gone through. Now, that's resilience! Yes, life has dealt one with lemonade and bitter gourds. So what does one do? I say, let's throw a Stomp the Lemons and Kick the Gods... Oops, Gourds Party and get down to being really filthy... Er, dirty... Erm, careful the wet juices... Darnit, mind's in the gutter again! The bloody Marlow Hierarchy of Needs ladder is way too slippery and on my vain quest towards Self Actualisation, just get a hot dude to dangle his stiff carrot in front of me, and I would slip right down to basic needs - Food, Air, Water (+Choya +fruit vinegars) and Sex! :-D People who get offended easily need to learn two lessons : 1) Deal with life's adversities in a more resilient, less self-indulgent manner and lighten up! ; and 2) The whole world doesn't need to stop nor bend and yield just because you are offended. Get over it. You aren't the center of everyone else's world, and your ego ain't everyone's moronic concern! Everyone has fragile egos but we've all learnt to prevent being smashed to smithereens using an assortment of duct tape, bubble wrap, retail therapy, sex therapy (my #1 preference! Hehe!)... So the freakin' bleeding hearts can jolly well learn to deal with their issues by developing the resilience and common sense to deal with it instead of expecting the entire world to stop breathing and surround them with cotton wool cause hey, even the Queen of England gets joked about and caricaturised, and she hasn't nuked anyone yet, so to those who are easily offended, get over yourselves! :-P
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RHP User
10 years ago
Here's one that absolutely cracked me up - search for 60 Different Genders on that famous tube! ;-) Unbelievably complicated world we live in nowadays! :-P
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Tall74nHard9
10 years ago
Checked out the requested video - for an 8 minute routine he didn't really get far. Your question was also encompassed by a recent posting about PC. I suppose it's all got to do with what generation you belong to, and therefore in what environment you were raised in. I liked his analogy about 'Health and Safety' with regards to previously just being known as common sense. Very true. I don't know if it was definitely originated in the good 'ol US, but you just have to think about how litigious they have become in recent decades, and how pretty much everything now-a-days has to be labelled with a warning of some sort to prevent the manufacturers / distributors on anything on sale being sued. Where has the common sense gone ? Their method of suing has slowly been introduced in various other parts of the world, to the extent whereby now you just have to be soooo careful and PC that any form of caution on your own behalf is not required any more. When I was growing up, all this BS didn't exist. You used common sense, generally were polite with what you said and did, but still appreciated a good sense of humour to subjects which simply can't be mentioned these days. If you did something stupid / foolish, it was on you - not the community. Sure, there were always cases of genuine offence caused to certain people, and there were ways to guard in case of genuine complaints. But please, PC and it's associated mother-coddling has definitely gone too far. Tall
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RHP User
10 years ago
Good to know you don't mind being referred to as a slitty-eyed Chink. Yeah in some respects the culture of offence has gone too far, but I also wouldn't like to return to the days when it was open slather on being a complete asshole and calling people whatever names you wanted to. There's nothing wrong with showing a basic level of respect towards fellow human beings...those who can't / don't want to do that and constantly tell others to 'get over it' are not people I want anything to do with.
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RHP User
10 years ago
On behalf of those people without computers, and therefore CANT view the clip... .....I'm frikken OFFENDED.... 😝 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
...I think, like Dragon was saying, there's nothing wrong with treating others with respect. That's probably one of the few Great Rules of Life. After all, don't primates and plenty of other lower species of animal naturally form social hierarchies when living in groups that appear to be based upon "Respect" or something similar.Resilience, in general, is probably a bit lacking in our First World, Australian society. I imagine that a harder, crueler life elsewhere creates an emotionally stronger, more resilient people...when it doesn't outright break them...than many of our own spoon-fed ones. We truly live in The Lucky Country when we can take the privilege of being offended by trivial matters, that don't even relate to the most basic of needs, like food in our mouths or a place to sleep...rather than worrying whether our mothers or sisters will be raped or where the next bag of rice will come from when this one is gone.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Where do we draw the line? If we have respect for one another then we will not offend."Oh but I was only joking,get over it" is not an excuse for being insulting. There is an old saying,"Many a true word is said in jest". We have Racial Villification laws for a very good reason. It was only in the sixties that the White Australia Policy came to an end. Many Indigenous people,and people who are not from an Anglo background,sometimes suffer jibes.jokes and cruel remarks on a daily basis. As do people from the LGBT community. Resilience is easy if you are part of the white - centric culture,if you only have to put up with the occasional,joke or jibe,not so easy if you experience it on a regular basis. Yep I am unapologetically an old school humourless feminist when it comes to this topic Stirry 👿 Q
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' I'm now a firm believer in saying whatever the hell it is you want to say (anyone I mean) so long as it's not directed at an individual, then if an individual chooses to be offended by a comment about a group they fall into, body shape, race, whatever, the issue is with them, not the comment. And you see, even saying that is hard because I type it and then wait to be criticized. Constantly treading on eggshells comes to mind, for fear of what group we're going to offend. Saying it generally as opposed to an individual makes all the difference In that case...I can say that many in the 'anti-PC' brigade are ignorant narcissists who are just pissy that they can't always get away with acting like total gronks. Generally speaking you know, don't get offended
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RHP User
10 years ago
That just made me SOL (like laugh out loud, but I snorted instead). As for PC, I think that some people can definitely take it too far, but I'm also a firm believer that if a joke or comment relies on attacking or belittling someone else, then it's not worth saying. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' Good to know you don't mind being referred to as a slitty-eyed Chink. Yeah in some respects the culture of offence has gone too far, but I also wouldn't like to return to the days when it was open slather on being a complete asshole and calling people whatever names you wanted to. There's nothing wrong with showing a basic level of respect towards fellow human beings...those who can't / don't want to do that and constantly tell others to 'get over it' are not people I want anything to do with. I don't care! I'm not exactly a Chink, btw... not all yellow-skinned folks are Chinese, you do know that, right? LOL!!! Besides, if a person makes remarks like that, it reflects on them, not on me. And yeah... call me a prude too if you like! Me and the folks who know me well will simply have a good time laughing till we fall off our chairs. I'm one of those who crack the dirties jokes in my thankfully politically incorrect workplace full of smart and sensible people I respect and love who aren't petty. Please don't have anything to do with me at all because I won't be missing anything. Talk to the hand, cause the face sure ain't listening!
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RHP User
10 years ago
My thoughts on PC When you respect others, you respect yourself , which in turn, you will automatically respect others. What I have learnt about respect and life is this "Everyone in life, is battling something, much of which you will never be unaware of...... don't be a cunt" and for those that ever tell me to "get over it" I say " Why ? so you can feel better about your own insecurities and issues ?"
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RHP User
10 years ago
to those people liking those nasty comments, it says a whole lot about you, not people I want to associate with just plain rude. If you're angry with the world, don't take it out on me
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RHP User
10 years ago
...to my earlier words, I believe that the choice to be offended...and I believe it is often a choice( not always, as few things are absolute in life )...I believe the choice, as lovman suggested it was, is a privilege of the well-off.I believe that many of us living above the poverty line in Australia are enjoying so many liberties and luxuries on the path to utopia that we take offence...and worse, prepare the young to take offence...at issues that are so unimportant to survival. I was talking with a workmate yesterday who was distraught. An early 30's Sri Lankan with a daughter still there, she has Australian residency now and is on the path to a better life. But an ex boyfriend in Sri Lanka is threatening her family there with violence in an attempt to extort money from her. Again. After all, she works in wealthy Australia. The local police will do nothing...especially for a woman...not without some payment, anyway. What the fu.. The rights we take for granted, like justice and protection, are the real privilege, in my opinion...not the right to cry hurt because someone called you an ambiguous name.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'PatchworkGirl' That just made me SOL (like laugh out loud, but I snorted instead). As for PC, I think that some people can definitely take it too far, but I'm also a firm believer that if a joke or comment relies on attacking or belittling someone else, then it's not worth saying. - Posted from rhpmobile You say here you're a firm believer that if a joke or comment relies on attacking or belittling someone else, then it's not worth saying, and yet make reference to 'snorting' instead of laughing at LD's comment or insult directed at me? Isn't this a contradictory statement? laughing at me with your response is indeed belittling me, wouldn't you say?
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RHP User
10 years ago
HAHAHAHA I thought I recognised you.....you're that creepy singer from one direction!!! :p - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Qefenta1' Where do we draw the line? If we have respect for one another then we will not offend."Oh but I was only joking,get over it" is not an excuse for being insulting. There is an old saying,"Many a true word is said in jest". We have Racial Villification laws for a very good reason. It was only in the sixties that the White Australia Policy came to an end. Many Indigenous people,and people who are not from an Anglo background,sometimes suffer jibes.jokes and cruel remarks on a daily basis. As do people from the LGBT community. Resilience is easy if you are part of the white - centric culture,if you only have to put up with the occasional,joke or jibe,not so easy if you experience it on a regular basis. Yep I am unapologetically an old school humourless feminist when it comes to this topic Stirry 👿 Q read on past this comment of yours and there's your answer. As always, it's the ones who wave the racist flag that are the biggest assholes as highlighted within this thread. So in response to your comment, sorry, basic common sense and respect is all any decent human being needs, we don't need the self righteous to dictate to us
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Koolgrey' The rights we take for granted, like justice and protection, are the real privilege, in my opinion...not the right to cry hurt because someone called you an ambiguous name. That's the same type of argument used by the MRA types who rail against feminists....'oh you can't complain, look at what happens to women in other countries'. It's one of the classic logical fallacies used to dismiss people's valid arguments. We can both appreciate the privileges we have in countries like Australia, and also expect basic respect and for people to not be subject to vilification over things like their gender or race. As Q pointed out, it's usually those who aren't subject to regular vilification who argue that it's not really a problem and that people should 'have the right to be bigots'...to quote our esteemed Attorney-General.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Interesting topic. Q & LD thank the goddess for both of you and your beautiful viewpoints. What you have written really resonates with me. Conflict theory states that those with the most power and privilege will always fight to keep it by oppressing groups with less power or social capital. The language we use and the things we say play into this power struggle in our societies. Those with more privilege will often want to fight to hold on to the language of oppresion because it serves their interests in maintaining power. Whilst no Sociological theory can accuratley illustrate every persons behaviour or motivations,I think it it interesting to consider in the context of our modern world and what might be considered 'politically correct'. Should we be more resilient? That would be awesome. Is it easier for some people to be more resilient than others due to their privilige? I think so. As much as I want to believe that we don't need laws and rules to dictate to us the concept of basic respect for all people, I think that history proves that we do.
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RHP User
10 years ago
the sorts of people apt to call loudest for others to be more resilient, frequently are those who have had their own resilience tested least. Seldom (read: never) is there anything worthwhile to be gained by tearing other people down. I am quite confident everyone has their own line in the sand. Even those who rail against "political correctness" have their own sore points. Many of you are now aware of my background in the RAN. Most of you would not know there is an old expression which states that "NAVY" actually stands for: "Never Again Volunteer Yourself". I would expect those people who would call for others to "harden up", or to demonstrate a "bit of backbone", or to be more "resilient" would have the good grace and magnanimity to demonstrate those same qualities when offered a character assessment of their own to consider. Surely those people who would seek to offend and/or undermine others could not become upset to learn a large number of their fellow citizens find such conduct the feeble act(s) of intellectually bankrupt imbeciles whose own self esteem and strength of character is clearly lacking. During my time in the Service, there was also another widely used expression: "Wipe your eyes and harden up - you're in the Navy now!"
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RHP User
9 years ago
Haha don't bother, just agree 👍😜
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RHP User
9 years ago
#Quexit
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'I_touch_myself2' Haha don't bother, just agree 👍😜Naah. where's the fun in that.. "Feminism is no longer a term that’s used to enable or empower women. It turns out to be in so many people’s eyes, kind of a way to bludgeon people into a left-wing litany of causes.It is an ideology rooted in partisanship that liberals wield to discredit anyone who disagrees with their agenda—an identity politics that does more to divide than unite."Of course, I'm just quoting and generalising...as was said earlier, so no need to get pissy now..
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RHP User
9 years ago
what Steve Hughes was saying... to me... is that everyone gets offended sometimes and what you find offensive is dependent on your upbringing, values, the society norms, or your groups norms, etc. And that's okay. Be offended, nothing will happen to you. I don't think his message is saying be more resilient or suck it up as you are suggesting Stirry. It's a fact of life that you will be offended sometimes. Some people find same sex marriage offensive ... and it is my right to find those people who feel that way and the things they say offensive. We will never all agree on the same things. I am offended by things I read all the time, in fact I am disgusted by a certain Rangas comments lately. But I agree with LD and Q that certain language and jokes and generalisations can be harmful and help perpetuate negative sterotypes. Look at the domestic violence adverts on TV now for instances. A quote from Ricky Gervais which also sums up what I think Steven Hughes was saying as well."Remember, beingoffended provides no objective indication of 'right' and 'wrong'. It's nothing more than a barometer of your own emotional control. Have a great day!"
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RHP User
9 years ago
Mate, if you don't have anything intelligent to say it's better to be quiet. Shhhh.
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RHP User
9 years ago
That reads as if I was getting pissy with you, not the case. Did the quoting thing misconstrue your meaning? Probably more clean up. So hard to follow with half the comments goneski 😃
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RHP User
9 years ago
is motivated by neither "political correctness", nor "left wing", nor "right wing" politics. Instead, I aspire to find a balanced middle ground where attitudes toward others are founded on basic human decency. Many of you know this represents a far greater test of patience and character than some people might ever even attempt. I sometimes fail in my endeavour, but I'm determined to keep working at it. I've mentioned previously, my experience has taught me there is far more to be gained by focusing first and foremost on what we have in common with one another. A "cheap comic" will readily land a "cheap shot" to secure laughs from the "cheap seats". A more considered individual might find a means of winning over his audience without the need to belittle or besmirch anyone at all. The greatest comics have people laugh WITH one another rather than AT one another. Tearing people down with character assassination, or ridicule of gender, race, religion, etc etc etc really is child's play. Most people graduate from that form of humour some time near their graduation from grade school. As I pointed out in my previous post in this thread, everyone has their own line in the sand / their own "Hot Button" issues. I have encountered this phenomenon many times. It is a pet peeve. I've typically found those individuals calling for others to be more resilient are actually prone to kidding themselves. It is frequently the case such individuals perceive their own blinkered view ought to be respected and valued more highly than the views, knowledge, and experience of others. You can be certain in most cases, an objective measure of these bigoted individuals' own knowledge and experience is quite limited. Close examination often reveals such people are actually not nearly as hardy, as resourceful, or as resilient as they would like to portray. Dollars to Pesos, I would wager the "toughies" (those who would call for greater resilience) might band together against me, or lobby the RHP moderators to kick me off the site were I to actually test their own resilience. I would find it very easy to do so, but also very pointless. The satisfaction to be derived from such an effort would be too short lived for me, and sadly the lesson would likely be lost on any prospective target. I'd rather a Beer and a game of Pool.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I'm not pissy, and there's nothing derogatory about feminism that you can quote at me that I haven't read or heard many times before. Fact is that no matter how much some people whinge about it and hanker for a return to the 1950s and the good ol' days of unfettered bigotry, sexism and racism, it's not going to happen. Sure you can still be a bigot, racist, and / or sexist these days, but don't expect everyone to happily accept it. Anyway, as Ontology pointed out, it's kind of hypocritical for those who believe that people should able to say pretty much whatever they want without being called out on it, to say anything in response to people who are calling them out. Unless of course that whole 'people should be able to say what they want' thing only goes one way... which it certainly appears to for some people on here who love to dish it out (sorry...'tell it like it is'), but who really can't take it at all Anyway I'm happy to leave you to it...no doubt you have much to discuss with some of the other posters here about how the lefty, hippie, greenie, commie, latte-sipping, PC brigade feminazis are ruining the country
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' I'm not pissy, and there's nothing derogatory about feminism that you can quote at me that I haven't read or heard many times before. Fact is that no matter how much some people whinge about it and hanker for a return to the 1950s and the good ol' days of unfettered bigotry, sexism and racism, it's not going to happen. Sure you can still be a bigot, racist, and / or sexist these days, but don't expect everyone to happily accept it. Anyway, as Ontology pointed out, it's kind of hypocritical for those who believe that people should able to say pretty much whatever they want without being called out on it, to say anything in response to people who are calling them out. Unless of course that whole 'people should be able to say what they want' thing only goes one way... which it certainly appears to for some people on here who love to dish it out (sorry...'tell it like it is'), but who really can't take it at all Anyway I'm happy to leave you to it...no doubt you have much to discuss with some of the other posters here about how the lefty, hippie, greenie, commie, latte-sipping, PC brigade feminazis are ruining the country only go one way that is, wouldn't you agree?
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RHP User
9 years ago
interesting take on some who like to dish it out hmm I wasn't aware the forum was a dictatorship, my bad
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RHP User
9 years ago
I agree with everything you say, much easier
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'CandyDelicious' Mate, if you don't have anything intelligent to say it's better to be quiet. Shhhh. Yeah, your right. I should probably stay off the keyboard when I've had a few drinks...but sometimes I just feel so.......mischievous.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'Luck_Dragon' I'm not pissy, and there's nothing derogatory about feminism that you can quote at me that I haven't read or heard many times before. Fact is that no matter how much some people whinge about it and hanker for a return to the 1950s and the good ol' days of unfettered bigotry, sexism and racism, it's not going to happen. Sure you can still be a bigot, racist, and / or sexist these days, but don't expect everyone to happily accept it. Anyway, as Ontology pointed out, it's kind of hypocritical for those who believe that people should able to say pretty much whatever they want without being called out on it, to say anything in response to people who are calling them out. Unless of course that whole 'people should be able to say what they want' thing only goes one way... which it certainly appears to for some people on here who love to dish it out (sorry...'tell it like it is'), but who really can't take it at all Anyway I'm happy to leave you to it...no doubt you have much to discuss with some of the other posters here about how the lefty, hippie, greenie, commie, latte-sipping, PC brigade feminazis are ruining the country Cheers Dragon. I love your work. Really, I do.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Well I never. Drinking and writing is not on! A spanking and some time in the naughty corner for you. Haha 😀😋😇
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RHP User
9 years ago
In NSW there is a surburb and council area called Blacktown. Now the councillors recently voted after much research on wether they should change the name Blacktown because some felt it was offensive to Indigenous people. I initially though that was silly, but looking it up now I see that Blacktown apparently has the largest Aboriginal population in the state. What do you all think? PC going overboard? Or reasonable? Personally to me I am not aware of Blacktown's demographics nor its history so I have never associated the name with a people.
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RHP User
9 years ago
I gotta say I don't really understand why the name of a suburb is remotely associated with the degradation of a person/people in order for it to be seen as offensive?? - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
9 years ago
Quoting 'CandyDelicious' In NSW there is a surburb and council area called Blacktown. Now the councillors recently voted after much research on wether they should change the name Blacktown because some felt it was offensive to Indigenous people. I initially though that was silly, but looking it up now I see that Blacktown apparently has the largest Aboriginal population in the state. What do you all think? PC going overboard? Or reasonable? Personally to me I am not aware of Blacktown's demographics nor its history so I have never associated the name with a people. Found this on the History -While numbers declined there has always been an Aboriginal presence in Blacktown and today, this is reflected in the name of the City and its suburb Dharruk and the fact that Blacktown has the largest Aboriginal population in the state. If this is true then I believe the name should be changed.
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RHP User
9 years ago
Tried on my amour the other day, and you would not believe how many chinks there were in it (Working on them though)
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RHP User
9 years ago
"“‘It was called Blacks Town,” Darug man and university lecturer Shane Smithers explains. “It was where people who had been dispossessed from their land, people who had survived smallpox epidemics and all that sort of stuff ended up being corralled into a small area.”" From The Guardian "The settlers gave this place the name Blacktown. Now should they take it away?" I'll that decision belongs to those affected by the name and the history.
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RHP User
9 years ago
stoop formatting
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RHP User
9 years ago
Stoopid typos
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RHP User
9 years ago
perhaps sometimes the historical name of something simply becomes the name of the place and not something more, even if it was a name given because of association with something - and even if it was, does that mean the name must be changed? I think a lot of it seems to be "white people" (as much as I hate using that) being overly sensitive to anything that mentions "black" (though not "Browntown" up in the mountains) and being offended on behalf of someone else. Most people in and around the Blacktown area thought it was preposterous. Most notably, the local Aboriginal groups in Blacktown did not support renaming the suburb. I'll include this quote from an article for people suggesting that it's offensive to Aboriginals and should be changed: Darug tribe Aboriginal Corporation chairman Gordon Workman was at the council meeting and said he was infuriated by the council’s actions.“Blacktown is our history, our home and it’s what we are proud of,” he said.“We love this area and council is trying to take that away from us.”
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RHP User
9 years ago
Fairy Penguins in the mix too. At one stage there was a kerfuffle over the "fairy" component being offensive to the gay community..... Dunno about others, but it's a penguin for god sake....
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