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The Ashley Madison Hack
August 22 2015
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RHP User
10 years ago
one of the things that erks me is people saying that anyone on Ashley Maddison deserved it. Apart from being such a callous statement to begin with there are people on there who; Practice ethical non manogamy. Are single and looking for a partner. Might just want to flirt but never want to meet up. Thought about meeting up but changed their mind. At the end of the day no one deserves having their details leaked no matter what people believe on their stance on cheating. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
That there is no longer any such thing as privacy...I think what happened was criminal. xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
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RHP User
10 years ago
They never got to the core, the billing names. All the got was what anyone can get if you could be bothered clicking on every profile and logging the details. They expose nothing that anyone with a paid membership could not have seen. If it was that easy to hack the billing names and credit card numbers then organised crime would make all types of online purchasing impossible. Its been blown out of proportion and is not a hack, just a site skim with using fake profiles. Now the big joke is that other hackers are publishing fake data claiming it to be real. So much so that the original people claiming responsibility have had to encrypt and secure the data they have in an effort to ensure its authenticity. There was no criminal activity involved, well not if you dont include using a fake profile on a public web site. Now who would ever do something like that...
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RHP User
10 years ago
I really hope the person responsible faces action over this, absolutley unfair, what gives them the right to destroy peoples lives like that and someones business.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Iam sure membership will go up. Any publicity is good publicity. - Posted from rhpmobile
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Newday10
10 years ago
Nobody has the right to judge others , everybody lives are different what's happened is a criminal act
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RHP User
10 years ago
It's a gross invasion of privacy regardless of morals. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
A good question apparently Araps. :-D It has it's own wiki. And yes, people will be judged on the limited information available as is too often the way. .True Freya, too true. There is no such thing as privacy anymore. And as Newday also says, it is criminal..Mmm, Polys. I wondered who would mention the elephant in the room. ;-) .I'm not too sure how up to date you are with current events Blindman, that there was a second, larger leak during the week which also included internal documents. I read the story of Josh Duggar whose credit card details and the specifics of transactions on the site were revealed. .I agree with you both Sexy and Sherry. I only hope they don't go further in their crusade. .Yes Girlblur, membership had gone up from what I read lol. One article I was reading thought this would be followed up by a downswing though. That's what I think too. It is amusing that a part of that story includes site terms, and effectively Ashley Madison can sell on your information anyway. Hmmm..This is going to change the cyber world as we know it. Peachy
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RHP User
10 years ago
Ashley Madison: Canadian Law Firms File $578 Million Lawsuit Against Extramarital Affair SiteTwo firms filed the class-action lawsuit Thursday against Avid Dating Life and Avid Life Media after the data breach revealed about 39 million memberships earlier this week, The Guardian reports.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Who have nothing to hide won't be worried. Those who do will be.
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RHP User
10 years ago
A total rip off site that fleeces gullible people, I really don't mind if they go down, one way or another.
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nattyocean
10 years ago
moral debates aside, the fact is this is such a concern with regard to identity theft and privacy. I think in this day of global sharing and how socialised it has become we have a tendency to forget the real possible impacts and fallouts from having such an online presence ie the 1995 film The Net. I think we should all be concerned about this activity from this angle rather than a moral angle. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
These smart arse hackers deserve every kick in the arse that's coming..
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Blindman67' They never got to the core, the billing names. All the got was what anyone can get if you could be bothered clicking on every profile and logging the details. They expose nothing that anyone with a paid membership could not have seen. my understanding was that they (Ashley Madison) don't actually hold credit card names, they don't care, they don't need CC details, it is an extra liability - they just hand-off payment to their payment provider and all they care about is getting back a token saying "they're paid up, here is the reference number").
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'S_OnTheLoose' Quoting 'Blindman67' They never got to the core, the billing names. All the got was what anyone can get if you could be bothered clicking on every profile and logging the details. They expose nothing that anyone with a paid membership could not have seen. my understanding was that they (Ashley Madison) don't actually hold credit card names, they don't care, they don't need CC details, it is an extra liability - they just hand-off payment to their payment provider and all they care about is getting back a token saying "they're paid up, here is the reference number"). That is correct with most online businesses, billing and payments are separate from the core business. More so the billing and payments server is completely isolated from the enterprise (the thing you are selling) servers. On RHP this is the same. Payment and billing are totally secure. But on the enterprise side only the login system is protected. All else is public for anyone that cares to look. The AMH did not get passwords, all they got was unsecured public data, data available to anyone that cared to look. Go to you private gall and see if you can see the lock icon, its not there, thus it is public and can be skimmed. Though it is well obfuscated it does have a system and that can be cracked. The general rule is, if you dont want it known then do not publish it. I dont give much hope to the civil class action against AM as they did nothing wrong. Nor did the hakers, though there is a case for copyright infringement that could be made against them, but that will depend on the terms of the sign up agreement individuals made with AM.
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RHP User
10 years ago
The hack was not to out the people who are users of the site but an attack on Ashley Madison itself. The people are just collateral damage. The aim was: 1. Find out how many people were on the site by gender. Yup, you guessed it. Most of the paid users were male, talking to fictitious female members. That has to be considered a scam. 2. The financial information of $19 identified users who paid to have their information deleted. It seems that was done but the transaction was not. Should the hackers be punished? Hard to say, they did expose the dodgy business practises of Ashley Madison but they did it in a way that exposed the clientele of the site.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Even on sites such as RHP.
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LifeUnscripted
10 years ago
A few years ago we heard about Ashley Madison and foolishly signed up with my regular email address just to check it out. Wanted to see if it was a good place for us to meet other swingers or single women. Quickly realized it was just full of married cheaters so we never paid or stayed. But now you do an email address search for my email and it comes up. Not everyone exposed is an asshole. We were looking for ethical non monogamy, and quickly realized that was not the place. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
Ashley who??? 😉 - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
"Two people have taken their own lives after their details were leaked by the Ashley Madison hackers, it was disclosed today. Captain Michael Gorhum, who served for 25 years with the San Antonio Police Department in Texas, was named as one of the suicide victims. And at a press conference on Monday, Canadian police confirmed a second suicide of a person also believed to have been using the extramarital affairs website. Police are investigating if the deaths are as a direct result of the leak of Ashley Madison users." Bloody awful.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Meander' "Two people have taken their own lives after their details were leaked by the Ashley Madison hackers, it was disclosed today. Captain Michael Gorhum, who served for 25 years with the San Antonio Police Department in Texas, was named as one of the suicide victims. And at a press conference on Monday, Canadian police confirmed a second suicide of a person also believed to have been using the extramarital affairs website. Police are investigating if the deaths are as a direct result of the leak of Ashley Madison users." Bloody awful. It is..... but would these people have taken the same course of action of their partner (assumed) found out through other means? AM just becomes the messenger.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Mischeviouslad' It is..... but would these people have taken the same course of action of their partner (assumed) found out through other means? AM just becomes the messenger. So, a guy being idiotic enough to climb a treacherous mountain when he knew he shouldn't, would likely have slipped anyway, and the hacker giving him a shove was just facilitating the guy falling to his death?
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting 'CucknShells' an Ashley Madison account. It was were I met my FWB who is also in an open relationship like me.I closed it down about 6 months ago. I got this email today. Shells. messages between members and much much more than just your email address. We understand being identified as a member of this site is bad enough and could damage your relationship, social standing and even cause a loss of your career if your employer finds out due to "morality causes" and a whole host of other problems We have a principle with only speaking of others, anything we would say to them if they were present, (say it about them say it to them) Wonder what for who would be reckoned with morality causes, ( a right, curiosity, truths, justifiable reasoning) for as to or not search users (if anything like the grapevine private messages by users of this site for example etc etc) We would not lose any sleep if that kind of information was made available for public viewing, scrutinising, snooping, proof of the pudd'n, who said who, secrets, loose gossip, intensions, agendas, etc etc, because of our principals and why we rarely use the message system between members here. Anything we have as pics, profile,interests,messages, posts, we are not ashamed of and if it bothers anyone else, fuck em, not our problem, be it work, play, social standing. Raises the question for why would any other need or want to search us and what of it. (trying to look in for an outside perspective for what the hackers have informed Shells and see red flags galore in as little as two sentences and snippet quoted above, especially in the red. This is only a pimple on an elephants bum, the hackers exposed some of the highly sensitive security data from those above who collect everything from you and I / us that is uploaded into the www. Everything, and claimed as securely stored law abiding law enforcement protecting us from terror. Thanks Shells. Alan Parsons'The Eye In The Sky' I am the eye in the skyLooking at youI can read your mindI am the maker of rulesDealing with foolsI can cheat you blind Mado Mado Tara xx
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Tall74nHard9
10 years ago
So supposedly AM didn't really do their job for the fee they were charging (for removing info), and now a third party is blackmailing clients to do the 'proper' job. Interesting view of morality !? Tall
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RHP User
10 years ago
To hear that shells. It seems that 1.15 Bitcoin =340.66 $aud eek !! So it would seem that blackmail under the guise of protecting you from the dishonest company is the motive. I guess a class action against AM will ensue. As to the two men who have surposedly committed suicide as a result of the possibility of being exposed... Puuurlese... IF their mental state is so fragile then anything could have prompted them to make their apparent choices... Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
10 years ago
I wouldn't respond to it. It might be some spammer that trolled through the data and spammed everyone on the list hoping some might actually pay them. If it was the hackers that sent that message, they are malicious.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I'm really sorry to hear you have had such a contact Shells..The motives of the hackers are getting muddy considering the mention of money in your email. :-( I wasn't sure how much a bitcoin or so was worth in real world money but I have to admit 1.15 didn't sound so bad until I read HP's post. Multiply his 340.66 $aud by a few million. And how many have already paid without a second's thought. And are they just leading themselves into another world of hurt. I'm not sure what techy magic making a 'deposit' could achieve. Or, is it another, third party taking advantage of the situation? *More sad faces.* .Meander, I can't help but imagine the outcome could have been different had the delivery been different. People killing themselves is not something I can imagine being blase about. .
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RHP User
10 years ago
High-profile escort Samantha X reveals she was an Ashley Madison member and wants to know why a bunch of tech nerds think they have the right to pass judgement on anyone else.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Toronto police have released information that they believe two recent suicides may have been linked to individuals caught in the Ashley Madison release of personal customer information. Ashley Madison is the cheating website where people sign up, in an attempt to find someone to have an affair with. Before you just dismiss this with a.. "They deserved it".. or a.. "they brought it on themselves"… Think about this -- What they did may have been immoral, reprehensible and stupid, but is it illegal? What these hackers have done is illegal. So if you celebrate the Ashley Madison leak, are you going to celebrate the next time your store credit card account is compromised? Is there a connection there? Or is it just not the same thing? I find this to be a real brain twister.. because hackers are predators.. and you have to decide if you would rather have them hunted by authorities.. or in this case.. let them hunt. YOUR THOUGHTS?.. because I can see both sides here and the grass isn't greener on either.
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RHP User
10 years ago
That s just awful,I hope you are getting some support to deal with this... As for the two people who committed suicide,..perhaps their lives just fell apart and they felt they had no option...as Peachy said,they hadn't committed no crime and perhaps it's attitudes like yours HP that contributed to their decision .
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RHP User
10 years ago
So while their target was the company, they won't hesitate to blackmail individual members? I too am sorry you have experienced this blackmail Shells. These people have no ethics. I hope they are caught soon so the chaos they are creating can end.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Exactly my thoughts.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Totally guessing but I suspect the bit coin letter is a 3rd party hitching a ride on the situation. As for the suicides, I wouldn't "blame" the hackers but they have certainly contributed, it's a just a nasty crappy situation all round. No winners here.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'PeachyPearL' Toronto police have released information that they believe two recent suicides may have been linked to individuals caught in the Ashley Madison release of personal customer information. Ashley Madison is the cheating website where people sign up, in an attempt to find someone to have an affair with. YOUR THOUGHTS? Aside from being another example of people's incessant need to lay the blame elsewhere, I'm not sure that that even needed to go to press, linked or not, to be honest. I don't think people's lives are coming undone because of the hack, I think they're coming undone because of the potential to be held accountable for the choices they've made - which is what the hackers appear to be banking and/or cashing in on. The information being made available is only damaging provided relevant people are looking. Given that people with something to hide generally go all out to cover their tracks, what are the chances - really?
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RHP User
10 years ago
I totally agree with you, no one smells of roses here. AM are wrong for profiting from others dishonesty, and then not keeping their word to destroy documents... The hackers are wrong for their theft, and now blackmailing... It's fair to assume that the majority of "subscribers" to AM have more likely than not, not been honest with their respective partners... I'll reserve my sympathy for the unsuspecting partners of the AM "subscribers" Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
10 years ago
If the media had kept its trap shut, nobody would have known about it. The dissemination of information needs active participation or it gets lost in the background noise, all of the posters here know only because you read it on a media site or via this post. All the information you have gathered is from a third party. Where is the guilt? It should have been handled with respect for everyone's privacy and keep quite, not by shouting out to the world, "Hey look everyone, cheaters handles and numbers, here is a link to view it all. Is your partner cheating, find out here." The media, and its cohorts are responsible. All they needed was a catch phrase "hackers"
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RHP User
10 years ago
First, we don't know what people were doing or did on AM, whether it was a momentary aberration, something more or even if there was some sort of agreement between partners (tacit or otherwise) and it is the public shame they are worried about. And second, I can't begin to imagine how the partners of the dead men feel right now. Px
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'CucknShells' (Bitcoin) Send exactly 1.15 Bitcoin to the address provided below. It is unique to you and this email - it will detect your payment and automatically redact your profile from the third leak that will be released shortly. (Don't leave it too late!) It's this bit that gives you an ultimatum that personally convinces me it's a total scam.
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asiacouple
10 years ago
Lesson is to never use personally identifiable email on sites such as AM and even this. Who is to guarantee that RHP won't be hacked too? And spill all your supposedly private face photos over the internet?
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RHP User
10 years ago
To say that we don't know people's motives for joining AM is a bit like saying that we don't know why people join here... Sure lots of people here don't have sex, but it's reasonable to say that most of rhp's members are wanting or actually having sex with other people. You don't buy shoes at a used car yard do you ? I share your concerns about the entire tawdry affair, but my concerns lie more with the partners who didn't join AM than those who did, after all, they made choices. I also understand that too many couples are unable to discuss sex, sexuality and desire, which can lead one or both to conclude that nonconsensual extramarital sex is ok... Which it can be... until the chickens come home to roost. To me it comes back to personal choice, if you choose to have nonconsensual extramarital sex, then you should be prepared for that secret to be exposed, dirty washing almost always get found eventually. Again I don't support the hacking, the blackmail, or the suicides, but I also don't support lying. Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
10 years ago
I don't know what this business is all about, nor do I know if it could or does affect us on this site... I have nothing to hide. I am who I say I am... The worst that can happen is that my 80 yo Mother (very active and very mentally agile) sees a pic of my butt. But then she saw that 56 years ago (and a few years afterwards, I suspect...). I get so much spam and junk mail now, another few wouldn't make any difference if they got my email address, anyway. If it gets top be a problem... Get a new one.
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RHP User
10 years ago
AM opened themselves up for a class action law suit. Will 'other' adult dating websites take note and improve their security?
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RHP User
10 years ago
.... did my stint in AM 2 years ago .... and enjoy my time. ... and have not yet been contacted
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Ulysses42' .... did my stint in AM 2 years ago .... and enjoy my time. ... and have not yet been contacted ..... just got mine in the spam filter .... appropriate I thought. ... since been contacted by some pretty upset friends ....
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Huntswingyou
10 years ago
It IS criminal, Freya - hacking is a crime.
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Huntswingyou
10 years ago
The judgemental attitude of the hackers infuriates me, along with the lack of foresight. You don't know how anybody is going to react. We have two incidents of self-harm already. What if someone turns violent toward their partner, and even if they were cheating, they do not deserve to be beaten up for it. What if someone snaps and harms children of the relationship? Why do people feel others' sex lives are any of their business, anyway? Hacking is illegal, but consensual sex between adults is not. The only people who have a right to be outraged are the aggrieved partners. Also, nobody knows what drives others to joint sites (aside from the obvious!). As other commenters have pointed out, they could be in ethical open relationships. I have met someone on this site - no play, just a social drink - who joined because his wife has lot all interest in sex. He loves his wife very much, but he still wants physical contact. Wish hackers etc would just mind their own goddamn business.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Shells, if I ask if you will pay the ransom ? Obviously you don't have to answer. It's a shitty position to be in. Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
10 years ago
For those contemplating paying ransom money, I'm sure you will have already weighed in on the high probability that the people asking for your Bitcoins in exchange for permanently deleting your data are in fact a bunch of criminals who are unaffiliated with AM and are capitalising on your predicament. If the information is out on the dark net, they probably can't and won't delete it. If one pays will it just open it up for even more blackmail demands? For those affected, I feel for you. Please consider your options carefully. Good luck.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Hacker. Defined;"a person who uses computers to gain unauthorized access to data." At no point did the people that got the data gain unauthorized access. They skimmed the site. In other words, they used normal access and automated the process of viewing profiles at the same time saving what they came across, they may also have guessed at user ID's. Google and Bling do it every day via search bots. These bots follow the bot guide lines set out in the header of every page. These guile lines are not intended for human readers. All information that is restricted requires a password, if that password is given out freely (or at cost) and a user then uses that password to skim the site they are not hacking. The only thing they did wrong was breach copyright held by AM, the individual members had wavered the copyright control when they signed up. The point is that the data has always been available for anyone that wanted to see, you did not need specialized knowledge, just an internet connection and a AM account. The fault for these types of happening is the consumer. You should insist that what appears to casual observation as private and secure, should actually be so. Just because you can not find a link to some information does not mean it is secure. All dating sites seem to operate in the same way. Dont you think its time that people use their power as consumers to INSIST that their private information is private. Or is the extra cost that will be passed on to you too much? Unsecured data is public and can be viewed at any time by anyone. Copyright protects the publishing of this data. They are not hackers, they are copyright pirates.
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RHP User
10 years ago
It's just that AM failed to follow through on that process. I finally has a look at the site and there is a 'padlock' in the url bar on the site entry page now..Shells, good for you, hugs. Peachy xx
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platinumblonde69
10 years ago
I have a profile there and have rarely used it. No photo, never paid membership, use a hotmail account. Part of me worries but another part of me knows that there is no way i could be linked to this profile, unless my personal computer was used to discover details. Maybe I'm naive, but even when I opened the "blackmail" email it occurred to me that if i closed that email account down, I would not be linked to AM at all. On the other hand though, its a reality check that technically this could happen on any sites of this nature. Hmmm.Plat
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RHP User
10 years ago
I in no way approve of what was done. But the responsibility is that of the holder of the data to secure it on the behalf of the clients. If you leave money in the bank and they dont lock it up, who do you blame if its stolen? The ones guilty are the people who took it, but there is a duty of care we expect. I am just highlighting the fact that if you are online and want to know if your data is protected look for the lock icon in the address bar. If it is not there than it is unsecured, even if one byte of data on the page is secured than that icon will be there. We pay money to sites to store our data, we should expect that they have in place locks to protect it from evil doers.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I had a vision the other night that sets of scales don't have enough sides. Where to apportion blame? There are so many steps, and side steps, it can be applied in some way or another whether it be from the moment of 'conception' so to speak to where the fractals are spreading, to the point where they all look the same from however closely you look at it. And that's where the public is at the moment. The bywords being, "they all deserve it". I heard it directly from the lips of people I know. :-P.Specifically about AM, it has definitely failed in it's security on so many levels from what I can gather after reading a few wordy articles. One of the earlier articles I read talked about terms of membership and shared parts of AM's site terms that showed they didn't 'really' promise not to sell on client info. .I would like the answer to the same question as Shells about the email addresses. I'm not techy either as I'm sure we've all gathered by now.
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RHP User
10 years ago
To Bettina Arndt in the Australian today,Ashley Maddison had about 28 million men and only 5 million women registered..a huge difference in numbers also reflected here on RHP...she also cited research that suggests there is growing drop in libido amongst women 20 -40 but not the reasons why,just that many marriages are now celibate because of this factor hence the amount of married and attached men on sites like AM xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' To Bettina Arndt in the Australian today,Ashley Maddison had about 28 million men and only 5 million women registered..a huge difference in numbers also reflected here on RHP...she also cited research that suggests there is growing drop in libido amongst women 20 -40 but not the reasons why,just that many marriages are now celibate because of this factor hence the amount of married and attached men on sites like AM xxFreya I read the same, and could not understand; however, wondered; is it due to the increase in women in the work force with similar pressures and stress as men. (not being sexist, just that men can have had a decrease in libido depending on how much stress they have had at work during the day, or if they have had to work 6 or 14 hours). Perhaps with more and more women doing similar (or better) they are also buggered at the end of the day ??
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RHP User
10 years ago
Men are still not doing their share of domestic chores and child rearing..Women are just exhausted in my opinion..The research she is talking about dates back to 1991...many women in their late twenties,and thirties are now opting for the single life ,they don't want a husband and children xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' To Bettina Arndt in the Australian today,Ashley Maddison had about 28 million men and only 5 million women registered..a huge difference in numbers also reflected here on RHP...she also cited research that suggests there is growing drop in libido amongst women 20 -40 but not the reasons why,just that many marriages are now celibate because of this factor hence the amount of married and attached men on sites like AM xxFreya Possibly because men want quick hookups and women don't find that appealing in the long term. It bores them. There are also studies that show that men don't put in as much effort when they know it will be a one night stand or a short term fling...... so no wonder nobody is getting any sexual satisfaction. The hookup culture has killed SEX!
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RHP User
10 years ago
Sorry but why is it a rip off site?? i have met far more men from there than I have from here, all very nice guys too!! Don't judge unless you have been there. Any site is only as good as those on it.
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RHP User
10 years ago
... The emotional thread Dejando. Freya, maybe it's the men you know because the men I know are fabulous around the house, and those who are single fathers are brilliant and well loved. Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting '1DarkBull' AM opened themselves up for a class action law suit. Will 'other' adult dating websites take note and improve their security? only keeps the honest folk out. Could see the hackers playing out this one with, in defence as to "of sound mind, guilty with reason" and judgement passed in weighing up the matter detrimental, 'sound of mind' therefore lawfulness in dissent, an argument by precedence afore, 'Robin Hood' defence ....'Security' ? questioned by principal an act of thee, in it's self, individual determine and may not favour "others" of any school's vernacular, a class unto themselves rendered 'shit out of luck' and indeed part in cause for better or worse. Scenario influenced by all those Mad magazines. Schools open.., .. Honourable Sir, Madam presiding, Our learned friends and the people.., !.. We !.present the actionable class in the case of ..'someone other than the [sic] wife' Hard done by a leak or two, it simply just won't do!!! and we will try-hard privilege all and others by showing it didn't have to happen, but it had,has and happened to be a happening thing. Hacked, busted, flabbergasted, a class departed, all each unto them, thee wife's, wives dirty bastards and the 'other other's, or her',.. in respects no appearance, maybe weren't the next morning, or we don't know their names. But we will 'fight for the big cunt, fight for the big cunt, fight for the big country'!!! Your Honour.PersonallyUntidy act to follow as in leading a class act and action to 'the better interests of society', when getting busted same is for same, who else can one blame. Personally I don't think the security breached exists and the hackers actioned a Robin Hood cause by taking from the rich and giving back to the poor and in weighing the balance opposed to 'Cheat without getting caught. My opinion is reserved and considered by 'over all', Random act of nature Mado Mado Tara xx
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting 'Trudy1971' Sorry but why is it a rip off site?? i have met far more men from there than I have from here, all very nice guys too!! Don't judge unless you have been there. Any site is only as good as those on it. Other than the site advertising the 'hook' as all bright and cheery with bells and whistles too the tune of cheating on a loved one, is all roses and exciting and the place to congregate in good spirits, but not as free sprits, people pay for the thrill of it all, so it must be a ball of fun and entertainment galore, good money spent all in all, kind of thing. Well that bubble popped when reality struck, all those fine folk, for a buck openly cheat and fuck each other silly, in a sense of secret liaison safe and discreet, under the wing of Ashley Madison and all nice'n cosy. And for an extra cost of about $20 bucks a bargain offer of a service and promise to remove all data of vulnerability recorded in association of ever being at the raging party. Many paid, over a million in takings and the service was not provided, a rip off. The hackers are exposing the rip off and the party folk were stupid enough to believe in such a higher being than them selves and about themselves the truth be known an outrage. Yeah so it's the business under attack, it's ripped off it's clientele and the hackers are the pitt of all things evil, it is supposed. Members, victims of crime and all caught up in it, shocking stuff.
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RHP User
10 years ago
But research from the Institute of Family Studies. 2013.,Women spend almost twice as much time on housework and childcare than men...xxFreya
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' Quoting 'Trudy1971' Sorry but why is it a rip off site?? i have met far more men from there than I have from here, all very nice guys too!! Don't judge unless you have been there. Any site is only as good as those on it. Other than the site advertising the 'hook' as all bright and cheery with bells and whistles too the tune of cheating on a loved one, is all roses and exciting and the place to congregate in good spirits, but not as free sprits, people pay for the thrill of it all, so it must be a ball of fun and entertainment galore, good money spent all in all, kind of thing. Well that bubble popped when reality struck, all those fine folk, for a buck openly cheat and fuck each other silly, in a sense of secret liaison safe and discreet, under the wing of Ashley Madison and all nice'n cosy. And for an extra cost of about $20 bucks a bargain offer of a service and promise to remove all data of vulnerability recorded in association of ever being at the raging party. Many paid, over a million in takings and the service was not provided, a rip off. The hackers are exposing the rip off and the party folk were stupid enough to believe in such a higher being than them selves and about themselves the truth be known an outrage. Yeah so it's the business under attack, it's ripped off it's clientele and the hackers are the pitt of all things evil, it is supposed. Members, victims of crime and all caught up in it, shocking stuff. But do you mean that the service was not provided in so far as privacy etc, or do you mean that the service was not provided in people not meeting up with others, cos surely that would not be the sites fault. I have been on 3 "adult' sites and I have met more from there than any other site. i usually find guys chicken out on the other 2 sites i have been on.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Freya70' But research from the Institute of Family Studies. 2013.,Women spend almost twice as much time on housework and childcare than men...xxFreya You can't necessarily just trust or believe research or statistics. Have they surveyed a broad generalisation, or have they surveyed an area where the majority of women are live at home housewives, therefore obviously spending more time on the housework & children ?? Given that generally only women can have babies, I suspect it would be a given they spend more time out of work & looking after the children. (Perhaps men spend more time working so their partners can look after the children ?). However, I may be mistaken. I also understand a lot of women do both very well. What I can tell you though, (and I know it is most likely controversial) is that neither my mother, or my step mother, ever worked harder during the day than I have in my working career. I can also state (in my situation only), that although my ex may have spent more time on housework (had no children) I spent more time on maintenance of the house, repairs, painting and renovating. I therefore believe it unbalanced to rely on a single one sided survey
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RHP User
10 years ago
Men will personalise this.its not personal ,it just is...women are still underpaid.that fight continues..but my point is,why are there 28 million men as opposed to 4 million women on th A M site.why do women have decreased libidos, and is there maybe a connection between women doing most of the housework and childcare while often working full time or part time jobs and their lack of libido and their partners joining sites like AM and RHP. XxFreya
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madotara69
10 years ago
We both earned the same money at work, when I worked and Tara was home with the kids we were both exhausted much the same, our libido tends to be of equal playing grounds. But, there is the multi tasking thing, men are different in those respects. Tara enjoys looking after the kids and she can switch off her libido and switch it on, through our years together that switch has been part of it all and I understand Tara when she switches off sex, I work in with her as our friendship is what matters most. So there has been times where kids, work, the house cleaning and friends, parties, etc etc that mess the joint up, life can be busy, so it is. The point is give and take, empathy and compassion, patience and understanding, friendship and love, all need to be maintained for a healthy relationship. If that switch is turned off and she is resented for it, then it may not be switched back on again, the guy does not care enough to reflect upon his self and tend to his partners needs, so he wanders off and tries his luck elsewhere. That's how I reckon to it.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I also read that were a large percentage of fakes on AM apparently generated by the site itself. To take advantage?.The supposed discretion of course works towards being able to rip people off. How many are going to complain?.Peachy
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RHP User
10 years ago
Trudy, The rip-off: There have been leaked emails that show the management hired people to create fake female profiles, in different countries and in local languages. The also use bots to e-mail males that one (or more) of these fake profiles wanted to contact them. They have to pay to contact them back. Freya, the thing about libido is just a rationalisation why men join such sites. There might have been more women except for the policies of AM. They discouraged women seeking other women so I think a lot of them might not have bothered. I also find, at least in Perth, it is easier for women to find a casual hookup. Actually, it is pretty easy for some guys as well.
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madotara69
10 years ago
Quoting 'Trudy1971' Quoting 'madotara69' Quoting 'Trudy1971' Sorry but why is it a rip off site?? i have met far more men from there than I have from here, all very nice guys too!! Don't judge unless you have been there. Any site is only as good as those on it. Other than the site advertising the 'hook' as all bright and cheery with bells and whistles too the tune of cheating on a loved one, is all roses and exciting and the place to congregate in good spirits, but not as free sprits, people pay for the thrill of it all, so it must be a ball of fun and entertainment galore, good money spent all in all, kind of thing. Well that bubble popped when reality struck, all those fine folk, for a buck openly cheat and fuck each other silly, in a sense of secret liaison safe and discreet, under the wing of Ashley Madison and all nice'n cosy. And for an extra cost of about $20 bucks a bargain offer of a service and promise to remove all data of vulnerability recorded in association of ever being at the raging party. Many paid, over a million in takings and the service was not provided, a rip off. The hackers are exposing the rip off and the party folk were stupid enough to believe in such a higher being than them selves and about themselves the truth be known an outrage. Yeah so it's the business under attack, it's ripped off it's clientele and the hackers are the pitt of all things evil, it is supposed. Members, victims of crime and all caught up in it, shocking stuff. But do you mean that the service was not provided in so far as privacy etc, or do you mean that the service was not provided in people not meeting up with others, cos surely that would not be the sites fault. I have been on 3 "adult' sites and I have met more from there than any other site. i usually find guys chicken out on the other 2 sites i have been on. Peoples private details, all history including messages to other members Don't know about anyone hooking up.
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RHP User
10 years ago
This subject was brought up while with family at my brother's house just recently. Tried to discretely raise points (ie not showing too much personal knowledge) such as people there that may be single, others that have not acted on their instinct, some pursuing a known cuckold thing etc, people with a partner who haven't had sex in 10 years, people in volatile/abusive relationships etc etc but got an (expected) closed minded response. So my point? Everything you do and say online is a potential 'data breach by hackers' away from public knowledge, which is a crime and no one deserves to be the victim of a crime. Were AM slack in keeping their privately held details secure? Maybe, maybe not. But remember, even banks and defence departments can and have been hacked. So if they had a better system, along would come one day a better hacker. - Posted from rhpmobile
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RHP User
10 years ago
that the result of info being made public has resulted in some suicides. The number of relationships breakdowns wont ever be known. The fall out for those families affected must be devastating. LG
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RHP User
10 years ago
They'll be offering to pay you by next week shells ! It's looking more and more like random scam emails now, as opposed to a genuine ransom by the hackers. As for the surposed suicides... ONE cop in the U.S. has claimed on TV that TWO men have committed suicide... Out of what ? 26,000,000 people world wide ? Sure one suicide is a sad event, but I went down the shop this morning and civilization hasn't broken down yet, I expected to see scenes reminiscent of the movie "I am legend" or some similar apocalyptic movie, but only people going about their lives as far as I can see... Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
10 years ago
Aside from the invasion of privacy, 'exposing' cheaters (from the posts I have seen, only MEN cheat. isn't that SEXIST???), think of the lives and families that will be destroyed because of this and possibly, people getting KILLED over it. Is it WORTH leaking out names and personal data, just because you might have an ax to grind? If someone wants to go on a cheater website, that is their business, if they get CAUGHT, it is NOBODIES business except the people involved. forgive and forget, or divorce court. not up to us. I just think also of kids lives who will be destroyed because of parents getting divorced over this.whoever did it needs some jail time, a couple million counts of defamation of character or whatever else can be thrown at them to set an example for other picks not to do the same thing.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I've done a bit more reading Shells and there are many mentions of scam emails on the net. Don't click on links people, that's how they they upload viruses to your computer. ;-).Looking further into the suicides, it seems the policeman, Captain Michael Gorhum who killed himself after being linked to the Ashley Madison site was not actually associated with the site. The link to his name was published by Adam Mueller, the 33 year old founder of the police hating website Cop Block. Included on the list were spoof names not associated with real accounts which is what alerted the policeman's colleagues that the list was not all accurate. The policeman's email has not been found on any of the other lists. :-(.Parts quoted from the Guardian about Noel Biderman. "The chief executive of extramarital affairs website Ashley Madison has left the company after a third leak of emails and suggestions that he had affairs despite earlier denials." "The third and latest data dump appears to be a download of emails from Biderman's personal Gmail account..
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'madotara69' We both earned the same money at work, when I worked and Tara was home with the kids we were both exhausted much the same, our libido tends to be of equal playing grounds. But, there is the multi tasking thing, men are different in those respects. Tara enjoys looking after the kids and she can switch off her libido and switch it on, through our years together that switch has been part of it all and I understand Tara when she switches off sex, I work in with her as our friendship is what matters most. So there has been times where kids, work, the house cleaning and friends, parties, etc etc that mess the joint up, life can be busy, so it is. The point is give and take, empathy and compassion, patience and understanding, friendship and love, all need to be maintained for a healthy relationship. If that switch is turned off and she is resented for it, then it may not be switched back on again, the guy does not care enough to reflect upon his self and tend to his partners needs, so he wanders off and tries his luck elsewhere. That's how I reckon to it.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Nothing really to add as most of the things have been covered already. Yup, that e-mail reads like a scam. Haha, it uniquely identifies you. That is rich. Of course, people might attribute the price reduction to the free fall of Bitcoin as a currency. It started earlier this year and still hasn't recovered. Yup, some useless trivia. \Quoting 'CucknShells' this today. Interesting the price is coming down and also from another email address from the one before.It would seem a few people have picked it up and doing the rounds. In short this is a chance to COMPLETELY REMOVE your profile from the final third leak before it's too late. To remove your profile from the final leak there is a nominal fee that is completely voluntary, this is 0.50 BTC (Bitcoin) this is around 110 U.S. This is completely voluntary. We thought it would only be fair to offer this opportunity to members like yourself and unlike Ashley Madison we will actually honor your payment and remove the information from the pending leak. We keep our word unlike Ashley Madison. Send exactly 0.50 Bitcoin to the address provided below. It is unique to you and this email - it will detect your payment and automatically redact your profile from the third leak that will be released shortly. (Don't leave it too late!)
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RHP User
10 years ago
Actually I was surprised at the value ? I read early this year about the collapsing Bitcoin value, I actually thought it was in the range of cents not dollars, so I was very surprised when I looked up it current value. Then again maybe the value has surged because of all the am clients buying bitcoins to pay the ransom... Supply and demand :) Hp xo Because you're worth it...
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RHP User
10 years ago
The hack in my view was designed to destroy AM.AM were ripping people off with the false profiles and low corporate morals.That annoys people and invites the hack.I`m on rsvp and have noticed over several years now that there is a set pattern to when I get contacted, I can almost set the calendar by it. Rsvp are without a doubt (in my view) doing exactly the same rip off and have been for years !!!!! And I might add that rsvp stoped taking Bpay payments when the AM hack went public. They would rather your credit card details or paypal only now. I do intend on flicking an email to the ACCC and make the complaint.I do feel for those effected, but place the blame on AM. If the same was done to rsvp, I would lay the blame on them due to there practices. And a final note, I wanted my credit card details deleted on this site and requested it to be done, my profile was deleted entirely. 1414andy then went to 1415andy.Well that's my whimper for the day, anyone else noticed similar situations ?Have a great day
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RHP User
10 years ago
The saddest thing, is that people seem to have less value than the almighty $ in this situation. Because they're not worth it?
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'MrsPeachyPearL' The saddest thing, is that people seem to have less value than the almighty $ in this situation. Because they're not worth it? 100% agree. And in many situations the same outcome (politicians).That's the world we live in but only 1 aspect, plenty of good aspects .Have a great day regardless (works sometimes).
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RHP User
10 years ago
i would like to speculate we are being blinded. team impact aren't your script kiddies or low-level hackers and they sure as hell aren't the stereotype they painted themselves as.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Unfortunately, the data is out there. The genie will not go back into the bottle and it has affected people. I really have to question the motive though. I think most of us are savvy enough to know when we are being scammed. Most of the chats I have on vanilla sites are all from scammers. They are easy to pick out although getting better and better at seeming more real. I guess exposing a fraud by committing a crime that harms people doesn't make the hackers heroes. Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'Dampkring' i would like to speculate we are being blinded. team impact aren't your script kiddies or low-level hackers and they sure as hell aren't the stereotype they painted themselves as. Team impact are the extortionists, they preyed on the low corporate morals that existed within AM.Very professional at what they do and carry out there threats, clearly.Low corporate morals by AM was the first to be released publically, if AM had high morals would the hack have happened ? The hackers will always be there looking for a situation they can profit from, low corporate morals, IP theft, collusion and any other secret they can hold to ransom. It happens all the time and company's pay them or lose there business, this one just went public when the company refused to pay. I expect they will lose there business. I don`t feel that I`m blinded, but except that I don`t know the whole story. Always willing to learn.Have a good day.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Try being a gay Saudi guy = death sentence.Approx. 1,660 people are at risk of the death penalty right now due to this leak. I hate cheating, but I detest peoples privacy being their death sentence. Meh, I'm an overactive sensitive soul.... but this just aint cool.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I did forget to say there are mentions that the 'hack' was achieved with inside help. I haven't looked deeply into those stories but that would make sense imo with the way personal and business emails have been revealed. Peachy
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RHP User
10 years ago
Quoting 'zu7bcv' Unfortunately, the data is out there. The genie will not go back into the bottle and it has affected people. I really have to question the motive though. I think most of us are savvy enough to know when we are being scammed. Most of the chats I have on vanilla sites are all from scammers. They are easy to pick out although getting better and better at seeming more real. I guess exposing a fraud by committing a crime that harms people doesn't make the hackers heroes. Two wrongs doesn't make a right. I agree that two wrongs don't make a right, and never will. And certainly not heroes, possibly in North Korea and paid by Kim`s rule for there successful attack. Big money paid to hackers when they succeed, one of few ways a person can earn money in N Korea. Or any other terrorists group world wide. They don't care about anyone.With the scammers on the vanilla sites I have 2 issues there. The first is that a site can control non genuine profiles, but if they do then profits reduce. The second is that fake profiles are not always scammers from the web, in the case of AM some of the fake profiles were generated internally. Maybe a stake holder or manager that wanted profits to increase arranged for employees to create fake profiles then bait genuine members to pay fee`s. Thus increasing profits.If I was to learn that rsvp had been hacked and that they were "ripping me off", I would not be surprised and would be glad that they were stoped. But given that I have suspected they are doing this anyway, I should have reported my views to ACCC and let them investigate rather than leave an injustice live by doing nothing. I would expect that after AM have been exposed others will need to change or be caught, and hopefully we will have a better service. I`m an optimist.
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RHP User
10 years ago
I agree with you about AM deliberately creating fake profiles. Internal emails show that they had people create fake profiles and they wanted to automate the process. A lot of adults site can get away with it because they know most of their members won't want their names linked to those sites. I'm actually glad RHP is more genuine, if that makes sense.
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RHP User
10 years ago
Uh hum... The single ones on Ashley Madison would not be concerned. I have known married guys who have been found out and turned in by their kids. Never spoken to again by their kids. Complete breakdown of extended family relationships, and self esteem of kids and ones cheated on knocked for a six ...caused by people who cheat in relationships and don't have balls to get out when they are not happy. Not feeling sorry for AM cheAters. Go cry in your corner. No sympathy here.
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RHP User
10 years ago
zu7bcv, "RHP is more genuine" well chosen words. The temptation is there for all online dating sites to boost profits. Morganaschild, No sympathy from me for the cheaters(or tried), to lie or be dishonest is a choice. And as with all choices come consequences. My sympathy go`s to the kids and honest person, that still suffer regardless.
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RHP User
10 years ago
How many people think because they are sitting alone in front of their computer that no one sees what they are doing. If you don't want everyone to know what you do - then don't put it on the interwebz. Nothing stays private on the internet and nothing is ever forgotten.
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